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Harm Pit
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:10:00 -
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ANSWER: The Council of Stellar Management
It is simply not acceptable that in times where sacked CCP Devs are literally sat in their pyjamas crying into their cereal, that the money is available to fly these people to Iceland to ineffectually posture, pad their CVs, get drunk and try to maintain the delusion of grandeur they labour under.
This has even started to become clear to themselves. Only days ago they crowed and gloated over the hilmarrrrgh "apology" blog, fighting amongst themselves to claim the biggest piece of the credit cake. Now, with 120 sackings, they have all developed SSS (sloping shoulder syndrome) as they seek to blame each other and even the players who flocked to their call for protest. Even the Chair of the CSM has let his nihilistic facade slip a little as the guilt hits him as to his role in the sacking of his great drinking buddies at CCP.
A farce from day one, the CSM was launched not in an oversight role as publicised by hillmar, but pre nerfed as a "communication conduit" and soon degenerated into childish squables (Constantine vs that goon guy) and rule breaking (trassler and that ankhatamapeonama bird). The 250 issue backlog of agreed issues that CCP routinley ignored stands evidence as to their innefectuality. Many people spent many many wasted hours trying to push issues through the frameowrk CCP gave us to see it drop out of site.
In times of plenty, where vanity project rap videos and dev bands were de-rigeur at CCP HQ - the CSM was an affordable plaything. But in these times of economic woe it is nothing short of outrageous it still exist.
12 world wide plane tickets, hotel fees, meals, and incidental costs many times a year would have paid the wages of some of the Devs who have been given the boot.
Particulaly considering the reported peenuts many Devs reportedly accept as wages due to their love of the game and company.
CCP are tightening their belts, and now is the perfect time to tighten the metaphorical noose around the CSM. All the clamour for CCP management to resign for failure works with the CSM as well. They have failed. The CSM, in its 6 incarnations, have presided over a near terminal decline in the game. In times of honour, resignation would have been the honourable action in response to abject failure.
It is clear that these "individuals" who inhabit the CSM will not take that route. They need to be sacked. NOW. Hilmar.. get shot of them!
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Harm Pit
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:26:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:They're paid with the PR budget, not wages budget.
Oh thats ok then. Lets hire a giant inflatable blimp in the shape of a gourmet sandwich and hover it over CCP Hq. The CSM can sit in it and wave at all the redundant workers.
Its ok because its in the PR budget and that budget is inviolate.
When CCP goes into administration it will be unavoidable because noboy can mess with the PR budget.
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Harm Pit
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:35:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote: It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly.
All the more damming then, at your disgraceful lack of achievements.
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Harm Pit
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:38:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:...you actually typed all that.
Indeed I did. And you nearly dropped your milk in your rush to reply seconds after you heard about it in your VEWY IMPORTANT SEKRET CSM CHAT CHANNEL
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:17:00 -
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Girl is Monk wrote:
(using vile rat's post about the appropriate place for such threads...) I've posted a thread in the Assembly Hall. When will we be getting a formal CSM response to these events.
Yes the Assembly Hall. Birth place of the 250 agreed over 4 excrutiating years which were flogged through the CSM process and subsequently ignored.
The place where one CSM member vetoed player issues in favour of "musical instruments in captains quarters" as an issue to take to Iceland with him to be discussed.
Lets continue to flog the dead horse for another few years, im sure it will take off and bolt into the sunset |
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:28:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Jin'an Tonika wrote:
Goon's should be evicted from the CSM, period. If that's my opinion, I am free to it. If I post with an alt of a 5 year veteran account, i'm free to do it.
So vote in the damned election. Get your friends to vote. All you need to get a seat on the council is a 1000 votes. I won the bloody chair position with 2600 (or something) and my alliance had 160 members :)
Beter still, lets participate in the democrat process by NOT voting. Surely if only a few percent of the eve subscriber base vote in an election that is practicaly thrust down your throat by CCP every election, it will demonstrate that the CSM is not wanted and has no mandate to represent us.
Oh wait, over 90% of the playerbase didnt vote for the present members. The majority DONT care or activley DONT WANT the CSM.
Sack em. Hire devs. |
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:29:00 -
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T-Jay Charante wrote:Innominate wrote:The blind irrational rage in this thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. True, I haven't see this many CSM post in a GD thread in days, they must be angry about something.
Its not anger is guilt. |
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:45:00 -
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Afale II wrote:OP Why do you hate democracy?
I love democracy
When there is a ruling authority that over 90% of the electorate did not vote for, thats not democracy.
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:46:00 -
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David Carel wrote:Just for your reference, the current CSM has achieved more than all the previous CSM committees combined.
Indeed, no Devs lost their jobs partly as a result of the previous CSMs actions
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:54:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Harm Pit wrote:David Carel wrote:Just for your reference, the current CSM has achieved more than all the previous CSM committees combined. Indeed, no Devs lost their jobs partly as a result of the previous CSMs actions They lost their jobs as a result of years of poor management. The CSM didn't run CCP out of money.
A little of colum A , and a little of colum B.
One things for sure though, when the next CSM junket rolls into Reijkavic and 10 jumped up high fiving drunken gurning beard faces get out of the minibus at CCP HQ, its gonna be diffucult for some of the unculled staff not to throttle them. |
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:45:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Harm Pit wrote:ANSWER: The Council of Stellar Management It is simply not acceptable that in times where sacked CCP Devs are literally sat in their pyjamas crying into their cereal, that the money is available to fly these people to Iceland to ineffectually posture, pad their CVs, get drunk and try to maintain the delusion of grandeur they labour under. This has even started to become clear to themselves. Only days ago they crowed and gloated over the hilmarrrrgh "apology" blog, fighting amongst themselves to claim the biggest piece of the credit cake. Now, with 120 sackings, they have all developed SSS (sloping shoulder syndrome) as they seek to blame each other and even the players who flocked to their call for protest. Even the Chair of the CSM has let his nihilistic facade slip a little as the guilt hits him as to his role in the sacking of his great drinking buddies at CCP. A farce from day one, the CSM was launched not in an oversight role as publicised by hillmar, but pre nerfed as a "communication conduit" and soon degenerated into childish squables (Constantine vs that goon guy) and rule breaking (trassler and that ankhatamapeonama bird). The 250 issue backlog of agreed issues that CCP routinley ignored stands evidence as to their innefectuality. Many people spent many many wasted hours trying to push issues through the frameowrk CCP gave us to see it drop out of site. In times of plenty, where vanity project rap videos and dev bands were de-rigeur at CCP HQ - the CSM was an affordable plaything. But in these times of economic woe it is nothing short of outrageous it still exist.
12 world wide plane tickets, hotel fees, meals, and incidental costs many times a year would have paid the wages of some of the Devs who have been given the boot.
Particulaly considering the reported peenuts many Devs reportedly accept as wages due to their love of the game and company. CCP are tightening their belts, and now is the perfect time to tighten the metaphorical noose around the CSM. All the clamour for CCP management to resign for failure works with the CSM as well. They have failed. The CSM, in its 6 incarnations, have presided over a near terminal decline in the game. In times of honour, resignation would have been the honourable action in response to abject failure. It is clear that these "individuals" who inhabit the CSM will not take that route. They need to be sacked. NOW. Hilmar.. get shot of them! All I see in this post, really, is a bunch of baseless accusations which are nothing more than your personal opinion presented as fact.
Lets start at the top of my post and go down.
* I can provide links to a Dev blog where she refers too being sat in her pjamas and cant stop crying.
* I can provide links to CSM members padding their CVs (and indeed misrepresnting her role at CCP and eventualy being let go due to an NDA breech.)
* I can provide linnks to tales of CSM member drunkennes (from their own blogs and twitter feeds)
* Evidence of their crowing abounds over these forums and others
* The "i dont care im ironic innit" goon facade the Chair let slip in posts when he was angry at devs being sacked
* The oversight role of the CSM as was initial conceived is available to look at on interview with hilmar on mainstream news sites such as the BBC and Wall Street Post
* The change in the role to a communication conduit is evidenced in dev blogs when the CSM finaly came out
* The 250 + issues backlog is clear to see on the CSMs own wiki.
* The hours spent to push these issues is estimable by the process itself : post thread, vote, csm discuss, CCP discuss, drop/keep multiplied by the amount of issue currently aggree and waiting to be actioned.
* The rap video band comment was indicative of the CCP mentality during the good times HTFU
* CCP tightening their belts is evidence by a blog yesterday from CCP manifest detailing 120 sackings
* CCP paying less then industry standards (reffered to me jokingly as peenuts) is evidenced from postings on "ex employee" sites and occasionaly unguarded dev comments.
* Several Devs are rumoured to have been sacked (hammerhead amongst them unconfirmed)
* Resignation did used to be the honourable course of action for politicians who fail (see Liam Fox, UK minister a few days ago)
* The CSM members have show no inclination to resign over many forum threads
* The 90% not voting for the CSM is roughly drawn up from voting figures (about 30k) and average annual subscribers (about 300k)
So basicaly, no, its not all personal opinion and baseless accusations. Aside from some flowery speech and the occasional gag I insert to make the post more entertaining for the reader, Its all backed up through years of following the CSM process.
Incidentaly, I had to restrain myself from mentioning many many more incidents that have cropped up over the years with the CSM in order to keep some sort of brevity to my post. |
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:17:00 -
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David Carel wrote:
You have no idea how to post and how to do a proper debate. Please just shut up and biomass your characters.
Thanks very much for your post but you misunderstood the context. I was accused of writing only personal opinion and baseless accusations in my OP. I posted that list to refute that accusation by refering to every "opinion" in my OP and showing how all my points were easily evidenced and cross referancable.
This I think I did to an impartial readers satisfaction. I could go further and get you specific links to wall street articles, forum posts, twitter feeds, devblogs and the like but I feel my list is enough and I do not wish to spend the next two hours pulling links I know are there.
As an example, I reffered to Drunken CSM members, intending to reinforce the "waste of money" position I have regarding the CSM. You seen to have taken my evidencing this as some sort of Pious disaproval of alchol or something. This is certainly not the case. I do disaprove of the wast of money getting these people flown to Iceland to get pissed up though. And the references to "massive hangovers" at CCP and the obvious detrimental effect these would have on the supposed role the CSM are nominaly supposed to be performing.
Oh RE Fallout it was her situation that angered me as I respected her work (having dealt with her in a game related issue before). I did not intend to be disrespectdul and it was indeed a line taken from her own public blog regarding her situation, not some nasty dig at her.
Character remaining unbiomassed sorry :( |
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